Comments on: Fighting against FALSE community… http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:44:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Traci http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24451 Traci Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:23:21 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24451 Hi! Thought provoking questions indeed. If you haven't read any of John Gatto's ideas, you might want to try them. He writes about the importance of community, and the fact that too often we create "fake" communities that really do nothing to nurture anyone or truly help each other to walk. His vantage point is from education but the theories behind it all are truly enlightening. He has a few books, Dumbing us Down, and then another one that has slipped my mind. Thank you for making me think a little harder today! Hi! Thought provoking questions indeed.

If you haven’t read any of John Gatto’s ideas, you might want to try them. He writes about the importance of community, and the fact that too often we create “fake” communities that really do nothing to nurture anyone or truly help each other to walk. His vantage point is from education but the theories behind it all are truly enlightening. He has a few books, Dumbing us Down, and then another one that has slipped my mind.

Thank you for making me think a little harder today!

]]> By: the encounter » Blog Archive » We get to carry each other http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24312 the encounter » Blog Archive » We get to carry each other Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:07:36 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24312 [...] on these ideas, I was struck by some great questions that Ryan asks on his [...] [...] on these ideas, I was struck by some great questions that Ryan asks on his [...]

]]> By: Thankful Thursday « Cherish It Hard http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24297 Thankful Thursday « Cherish It Hard Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:42:28 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24297 [...] are willing to pray for someone they’ve never met. 2. Learning to be transparent – more here from This Is [...] [...] are willing to pray for someone they’ve never met. 2. Learning to be transparent – more here from This Is [...]

]]> By: Jesso http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24227 Jesso Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:58:02 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24227 Thank you for posting this. I didn't know your church had a podcast. I'm subscribing now. This made me want to get back to my search for a new church. Thank you for posting this. I didn’t know your church had a podcast. I’m subscribing now.

This made me want to get back to my search for a new church.

]]> By: Alana http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24213 Alana Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:19:35 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24213 This is awesome.. I was just telling my husband last weekend that we need to develop deeper relationships... that I felt like I was truly missing a deep connected relationship. Perfect timing! Where's the Salsa recipe??? :) This is awesome.. I was just telling my husband last weekend that we need to develop deeper relationships… that I felt like I was truly missing a deep connected relationship. Perfect timing!

Where’s the Salsa recipe??? :)

]]> By: Amber http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24212 Amber Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:43:14 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24212 Interesting to come across these notes. Currently involved in a church-plant, when it comes to evangelism our emphasis has always been on building relationships. People start coming to church for all kinds of reasons, but very often it starts because they see something curious in someone they know, and eventually they figure out that the "something curious" is Jesus. But it all starts with the relationsihp - the coffee, the dinners, the being there. Love your blog - encouraging, not to mention beautiful. Thanks. Interesting to come across these notes. Currently involved in a church-plant, when it comes to evangelism our emphasis has always been on building relationships. People start coming to church for all kinds of reasons, but very often it starts because they see something curious in someone they know, and eventually they figure out that the “something curious” is Jesus. But it all starts with the relationsihp - the coffee, the dinners, the being there.

Love your blog - encouraging, not to mention beautiful. Thanks.

]]> By: anna maria http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24210 anna maria Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:31:59 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24210 I read your notes - that was a very good teaching and thank you for posting it. I have one question. Maple syrup in salsa? Never heard that one, but if you say so, I bet it's good. I read your notes - that was a very good teaching and thank you for posting it.
I have one question. Maple syrup in salsa? Never heard that one, but if you say so, I bet it’s good.

]]> By: Leslie http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24209 Leslie Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:09:11 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24209 I enjoyed listening to your service and evaluating where I stand. I have a deep love for people and love forming deep relationships. I work with a population where they do have a lot of issues and when you look at their history... they have every reason to be leery. The only way to truly build healthy relationships is to first form a relationship with your Heavenly Father and be forgiven of your transgressions. Repent and God will forgive and heal you. On another note I don't think its fair to slam folks for talking about weather or sports. It's just where they are and we all need mindless "small talk" occasionally. On another side note: Your voice is not what I thought it would be. I've read your blog for a long time but have never "heard" you and it's a strange thing for me! May God Bless your family and your ministry. I enjoyed listening to your service and evaluating where I stand. I have a deep love for people and love forming deep relationships. I work with a population where they do have a lot of issues and when you look at their history… they have every reason to be leery. The only way to truly build healthy relationships is to first form a relationship with your Heavenly Father and be forgiven of your transgressions. Repent and God will forgive and heal you. On another note I don’t think its fair to slam folks for talking about weather or sports. It’s just where they are and we all need mindless “small talk” occasionally. On another side note: Your voice is not what I thought it would be. I’ve read your blog for a long time but have never “heard” you and it’s a strange thing for me! May God Bless your family and your ministry.

]]> By: Dawn Marie http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24206 Dawn Marie Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:12:14 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24206 How easily we fall into the trap of thinking we are close when we are really not. It is a challenge, a risk to reveal yourself to someone -the TRUE you. Flawed, vulnerable, hurt more easily than we like to admit. But REAL community involves just that! Being REAL! Letting others know you are imperfect, and accepting their imperfections as well. It is a picture of the fellowship of Christ, and with temperance and wisdom, we can create community that will last our lives into eternity! http://walkaschildren.blogspot.com/ How easily we fall into the trap of thinking we are close when we are really not. It is a challenge, a risk to reveal yourself to someone -the TRUE you. Flawed, vulnerable, hurt more easily than we like to admit. But REAL community involves just that! Being REAL! Letting others know you are imperfect, and accepting their imperfections as well. It is a picture of the fellowship of Christ, and with temperance and wisdom, we can create community that will last our lives into eternity!

http://walkaschildren.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Kristi http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24205 Kristi Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:58:00 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24205 Fabulous! And...I was relieved that when you asked the questions that I do work really hard on my relationships. But it's a good reminder to keep at it. Fabulous! And…I was relieved that when you asked the questions that I do work really hard on my relationships. But it’s a good reminder to keep at it.

]]> By: Leesie http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24204 Leesie Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:09:10 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24204 Listened to the False community podcast - absolutely loved it. You are amazing at what you do Ryan - talented beyond belief and truly gifted at what you do. I hope to visit Vineyard Westside some day. I enjoy following you and learning from you. Thank you! Listened to the False community podcast - absolutely loved it. You are amazing at what you do Ryan - talented beyond belief and truly gifted at what you do. I hope to visit Vineyard Westside some day. I enjoy following you and learning from you.

Thank you!

]]> By: Kelly http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24203 Kelly Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:51:42 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24203 Jenn-if you live in Cincy I would suggest coming to Vineyward Westside and getting involved, or getting involved with any church that places an emphasis on building relationships. I was in a place just about a year ago where surface level relationships were beginning to not be o.k. with me. We moved, which made getting much more involved with our church community much easier. So I can answer those questions and not be lying when I say that: 1. No I am not o.k with this. These relationships are not what God had in mind and really have no more meaning than just to occupy one's time. 2. They know who they are and I am so thankful to God for having put them in my life. 3. Absolutley 4. Yes, without a doubt. 5. I believe I am, and if I am not, I believe they would call me out on it. 6. I believe it is fairly equal on all parts. When one is down and can not contribute as much, the others rise up and contribute more. It is a beautiful thing. Jenn-if you live in Cincy I would suggest coming to Vineyward Westside and getting involved, or getting involved with any church that places an emphasis on building relationships.

I was in a place just about a year ago where surface level relationships were beginning to not be o.k. with me. We moved, which made getting much more involved with our church community much easier.
So I can answer those questions and not be lying when I say that:
1. No I am not o.k with this. These relationships are not what God had in mind and really have no more meaning than just to occupy one’s time.
2. They know who they are and I am so thankful to God for having put them in my life.
3. Absolutley
4. Yes, without a doubt.
5. I believe I am, and if I am not, I believe they would call me out on it.
6. I believe it is fairly equal on all parts. When one is down and can not contribute as much, the others rise up and contribute more. It is a beautiful thing.

]]> By: Audrey http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24202 Audrey Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:50:42 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24202 Question 5 is the one I struggle and pray over all the time, and not just with friends. Keep making us think! Question 5 is the one I struggle and pray over all the time, and not just with friends. Keep making us think!

]]> By: jenn http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24201 jenn Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:37:31 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24201 i waited to see what others would have to say before adding my two cents. i agree that this is a problem, but just identifying it as such doesn't help people get to a different place. shining the light on this is really needed and was well done, from what i could tell by the notes and questions. it's just that most folks were not taught, either by modeling or life experiences, what solid, intimate relationships look like. i'd suggest a follow-up message on what to do once you've identified that you want more than surface relationships with people. i'd come to listen! i waited to see what others would have to say before adding my two cents. i agree that this is a problem, but just identifying it as such doesn’t help people get to a different place. shining the light on this is really needed and was well done, from what i could tell by the notes and questions. it’s just that most folks were not taught, either by modeling or life experiences, what solid, intimate relationships look like.

i’d suggest a follow-up message on what to do once you’ve identified that you want more than surface relationships with people. i’d come to listen!

]]> By: NaysWay http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/06/fighting-against-false-community.html#comment-24200 NaysWay Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:28:43 +0000 http://www.thisisreverb.com/?p=4258#comment-24200 Both my husband and I fought with these same questions, and cut out a lot of friendships because of it. Now we rarely talk to anyone outside of ourselves, and that gets lonely. We've been doing it so long, I don't think I remember how to connect with someone deeper than surface-level. I guess I'm leery of people - everyone wants something for nothing. But it's definitely lonely. Both my husband and I fought with these same questions, and cut out a lot of friendships because of it. Now we rarely talk to anyone outside of ourselves, and that gets lonely. We’ve been doing it so long, I don’t think I remember how to connect with someone deeper than surface-level. I guess I’m leery of people - everyone wants something for nothing. But it’s definitely lonely.

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